Comments on: More clips from Shepherds Bush Empire London http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/ the Scritti Politti source Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:48:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Amanda http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-3140 Amanda Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:39:40 +0000 http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-3140 Thanks for posting the videos. I missed Green(Scritti) when they were here in California (the San Fan show),so seeing these is WONDERFUL! Thanks for posting the videos. I missed Green(Scritti) when they were here in California (the San Fan show),so seeing these is WONDERFUL!

]]> By: Peter http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-2063 Peter Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:08:22 +0000 http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-2063 Hello, do u know if it's possible to purchase gadgets of scritti politti (t-shirts, photos, ...). TKS. Peter. Hello,
do u know if it’s possible to purchase gadgets of scritti politti (t-shirts, photos, …).
TKS.
Peter.

]]> By: russell http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1877 russell Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:27:31 +0000 http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1877 This is a very interesting discussion, and intersects with a long piece i am in the middle of about changes in copyright law, largely pushed by the internet. the two fields to separate are author's rights and copyright (as often 'owned' by corporations). I make films and videos, and occasionally 'sample' (i.e. quote or steal) other persons work. My working practice is to include any musician who actively contributes as 'one of the team' and credit their name. More well known citations I DO NOT credit, as i believe using (say) the opening bars of 'All You Need Is Love' to be sufficiently obviously The Beatles, and not an attempt on my behalf to claim authorship. I also do not believe in resting my work on the kudos of others (think of all the famnous songs used as filler in Hollywood films - which DO pay rights, of course), so such snippets are used sparingly, and often mashed or masked (as in a sampled record). i have been citing 'obscure' musics, as a reference source for people (and the artist) who might find some affinity. This may seem awfully personal, but i think it's the other hand to the legal (or, strictly, paralegal) discussion. That is, Green and Rough Trade (level 1 and level 2) apparently do not object to a website like bibbly-o-tek... however, a lawyer somewhere MIGHT object... and the current copyright laws are more or less clear, and corporations are attempting to make them clearer. if you believe that culture must flow, then these two positions cannot but become antagonistic at some point in the future. there is a battle being set up - by legal departments of large corporations - but the internet is constructed to allow this exchange. I would say that as long as it is indeed an axchange, this is to be not merely encouraged, but fought for. I imagine that artists like Green would be up for this. It all gets clearer (morally, but not legally) once we take money out of the equation. After all, have Run DMC sued Green for his 'lift' of track titles in Boom Boom Bap? Wouldn't that be silly? this site is a model of the correct way to do things, and Green cannot have lost any revenue from the exposure here. Sites like YouTube should be avoided, ad all artifacts end up in a bargain bin of low-res nonsense. It's important to be aware of the various legal movements, but it's even more important to realise that these are not random facts of nature, but alterable social contracts. Well, a new one is coming along, and i believe that the rearguard action of paralegals is doomed, but we/you are the footsoldiers who will break it down. Hmm, that sounds unnecessarily militaristic, but you know what I mean... all best This is a very interesting discussion, and intersects with a long piece i am in the middle of about changes in copyright law, largely pushed by the internet. the two fields to separate are author’s rights and copyright (as often ‘owned’ by corporations). I make films and videos, and occasionally ’sample’ (i.e. quote or steal) other persons work. My working practice is to include any musician who actively contributes as ‘one of the team’ and credit their name. More well known citations I DO NOT credit, as i believe using (say) the opening bars of ‘All You Need Is Love’ to be sufficiently obviously The Beatles, and not an attempt on my behalf to claim authorship. I also do not believe in resting my work on the kudos of others (think of all the famnous songs used as filler in Hollywood films - which DO pay rights, of course), so such snippets are used sparingly, and often mashed or masked (as in a sampled record). i have been citing ‘obscure’ musics, as a reference source for people (and the artist) who might find some affinity.
This may seem awfully personal, but i think it’s the other hand to the legal (or, strictly, paralegal) discussion. That is, Green and Rough Trade (level 1 and level 2) apparently do not object to a website like bibbly-o-tek… however, a lawyer somewhere MIGHT object… and the current copyright laws are more or less clear, and corporations are attempting to make them clearer.
if you believe that culture must flow, then these two positions cannot but become antagonistic at some point in the future.
there is a battle being set up - by legal departments of large corporations - but the internet is constructed to allow this exchange.
I would say that as long as it is indeed an axchange, this is to be not merely encouraged, but fought for. I imagine that artists like Green would be up for this.
It all gets clearer (morally, but not legally) once we take money out of the equation. After all, have Run DMC sued Green for his ‘lift’ of track titles in Boom Boom Bap? Wouldn’t that be silly?
this site is a model of the correct way to do things, and Green cannot have lost any revenue from the exposure here. Sites like YouTube should be avoided, ad all artifacts end up in a bargain bin of low-res nonsense.
It’s important to be aware of the various legal movements, but it’s even more important to realise that these are not random facts of nature, but alterable social contracts. Well, a new one is coming along, and i believe that the rearguard action of paralegals is doomed, but we/you are the footsoldiers who will break it down.

Hmm, that sounds unnecessarily militaristic, but you know what I mean… all best

]]> By: joel http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1866 joel Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:15:04 +0000 http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1866 Anyway some good news,WBBB confirmed as one albums of 2006 in Q and Boom Boom Bap as one of the "best tracks you may have missed"!! Anyway some good news,WBBB confirmed as one albums of 2006 in Q and Boom Boom Bap as one of the “best tracks you may have missed”!!

]]> By: Sam http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1865 Sam Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:50:33 +0000 http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1865 I think video/audio files being neatly contained in one supportive site, with a running commentary that can explain any technical issues, is less of a worry to a band than clips randomly posted all over the net. For this reason I agree that youtube probably isn't the best place to be placing clips if we want to be allowed access to them for a long time. I think video/audio files being neatly contained in one supportive site, with a running commentary that can explain any technical issues, is less of a worry to a band than clips randomly posted all over the net. For this reason I agree that youtube probably isn’t the best place to be placing clips if we want to be allowed access to them for a long time.

]]> By: Mike Nelson http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1840 Mike Nelson Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:20:05 +0000 http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1840 Er...Can I suggest that you guys have quite so thoroughly (exhaustively) clarified all the limitations and definitions regarding the Scritti music and video content on this site that Marco now sounds thoroughly harassed by the responsibility of what is presented here - not a great outcome. Ease up and consider that if there is a 'crusade' here it's actually about supporting fans in doing fan-type things. Fact is, I'm sure, that this site has done a huge favour to all at the record label and in the band. Green has so far remained - very sensibly - uninvolved. Why would he want to comment anyway? If the site ever includes something that could be seen to replace real commercially-available product then this might become a serious issue. Just now, we're just happy supporters of the band and the site. Personally, I'm much more bothered that around half the video content still won't play on my laptop!! Is there any other way to access it? Er…Can I suggest that you guys have quite so thoroughly (exhaustively) clarified all the limitations and definitions regarding the Scritti music and video content on this site that Marco now sounds thoroughly harassed by the responsibility of what is presented here - not a great outcome. Ease up and consider that if there is a ‘crusade’ here it’s actually about supporting fans in doing fan-type things.

Fact is, I’m sure, that this site has done a huge favour to all at the record label and in the band. Green has so far remained - very sensibly - uninvolved. Why would he want to comment anyway? If the site ever includes something that could be seen to replace real commercially-available product then this might become a serious issue. Just now, we’re just happy supporters of the band and the site.

Personally, I’m much more bothered that around half the video content still won’t play on my laptop!! Is there any other way to access it?

]]> By: Ron http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1836 Ron Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:29:23 +0000 http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1836 <i>I’ve been fascinated to see at so many gigs recently how no-one stops anyone taking pictures etc. as they did in the old days. Are these rights becoming unenforceable in practice as a result? Or could be venues be covered by a blanket licence? Discuss…..</i> It's simply because securty can't really confiscate someone's mobile phone at the door! Mine takes fantastic pix and decent YouTube-quality video... I’ve been fascinated to see at so many gigs recently how no-one stops anyone taking pictures etc. as they did in the old days. Are these rights becoming unenforceable in practice as a result? Or could be venues be covered by a blanket licence? Discuss…..

It’s simply because securty can’t really confiscate someone’s mobile phone at the door! Mine takes fantastic pix and decent YouTube-quality video…

]]> By: Marco Raaphorst http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1835 Marco Raaphorst Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:58:17 +0000 http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1835 I will email you about it Ernst. I will email you about it Ernst.

]]> By: Ernst http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1832 Ernst Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:38:18 +0000 http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1832 Marco, what's the problem ? Your last remark worries me a bit. Marco, what’s the problem ? Your last remark worries me a bit.

]]> By: Marco Raaphorst http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1829 Marco Raaphorst Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:19:54 +0000 http://bibbly-o-tek.com/2006/11/27/more-clips-from-shepherds-bush-empire-london/#comment-1829 Maybe if we make all audio and video files only available as streams this will be just a little better than a download. Still collecting societies are demanding money for streams and it is a lot of work because you need to pay collecting societies and labels. I am not sure how to fund this and I personally would not like to do this, because it will be too much effort for me; money and time. If we make it a private site for only registered users, this might solve a few of those issues. I need to look into that, but on the other hand it would seriously damage all the links coming in from BBC, The Guardian etc. And think about this for a moment: what if we take down all the content, all audio, all photos and all the videos? What would be the impact of that on Scritti? Maybe if we make all audio and video files only available as streams this will be just a little better than a download. Still collecting societies are demanding money for streams and it is a lot of work because you need to pay collecting societies and labels. I am not sure how to fund this and I personally would not like to do this, because it will be too much effort for me; money and time.

If we make it a private site for only registered users, this might solve a few of those issues. I need to look into that, but on the other hand it would seriously damage all the links coming in from BBC, The Guardian etc.

And think about this for a moment: what if we take down all the content, all audio, all photos and all the videos? What would be the impact of that on Scritti?

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